tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8139328.post4476502555585596103..comments2023-06-28T07:58:56.909-04:00Comments on PERGE MODO: Dolan takes ManhattanTony Adamshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10091330901996916966noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8139328.post-76181357231566747952009-02-25T15:33:00.000-05:002009-02-25T15:33:00.000-05:00Yes, well, coming from a prescriptivist, that is c...Yes, well, coming from a prescriptivist, that is certainly not ironic. Agree?thomas tuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11619726733721468479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8139328.post-37139664059358885932009-02-24T22:50:00.000-05:002009-02-24T22:50:00.000-05:00thomas tucker, I know that you're baiting me with ...thomas tucker, I know that you're baiting me with you clear misuse of "irony," but I'm going to let it slide. And when I say "let it slide," I mean "not let it slide," because that, my friend, is irony.TEDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07765245186357910074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8139328.post-80556894847735460672009-02-24T15:50:00.000-05:002009-02-24T15:50:00.000-05:00It is ironic that a self-described prescriptivist ...It is ironic that a self-described prescriptivist such as TNWH is so anti-papal.thomas tuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11619726733721468479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8139328.post-45670519236677465382009-02-24T10:08:00.000-05:002009-02-24T10:08:00.000-05:00Oh Ted, I do love you. Short of establishing an A...Oh Ted, I do love you. Short of establishing an Academie Americaine, which isn't ever going to happen, English--and even those languages that DO have some sort of "control" over them--will continue to lurch along whoring for new words, spellings and syntax until it transforms itself one more out of many, many times. <BR/><BR/>In this respect English is like the arts--they are inconstant action with and reaction to what is going on NOW and you can't stop them or freeze them. Attempts to do so (the Nazis, Stalin) resulted in some pretty dreadful stuff.<BR/><BR/>English is a brat that goes its own way; it didn't have a dictionary until the 17th century and that was pretty much a joke in some respects. Read the play Gammer Gurton's Needle in its "untranslated" form, then Hamlet or Lear, then anything Restoration-- the changes are dizzying and all in a little over one hundred years. <BR/><BR/>Understand, I do not defend or advocate what's going on (I broke my daughters and at least eight generations of students of using "like" in the wrong context, for example) but I do know the juggernaut is in motion, roaring along faster and faster, and most likely won't be stopped by the likes of you or me or anyone else.Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14279473113628377106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8139328.post-89273748000403825462009-02-24T00:35:00.000-05:002009-02-24T00:35:00.000-05:00Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08827846262483271138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8139328.post-32377271190962074542009-02-23T23:49:00.000-05:002009-02-23T23:49:00.000-05:00I admit that English changes in a messy manner. I...I admit that English changes in a messy manner. I also admit the existence of bad breath. I don't know that I'd apply the term evolution since the language currently appears to be in a steep dive to the bottom. There appears to be a heavily descriptivist bias among contemporary lexicographers, and the necessary result of accepting and codifying any usage that pops up instead of encouraging or insisting on consistent and correct usage is that huge ambiguities arise. It becomes impossible to say precisely what one means when words go from having a single meaning to multiple meanings. The Internet only speeds the fuzziness of meaning. Just because English is becoming less and less clear doesn't mean that I have to play along. Those descriptivist bastards who edit dictionaries these days are going to be the first ones up against the wall when the revolution comes. Or perhaps second, after the Pope.TEDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07765245186357910074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8139328.post-26041452659416859292009-02-23T21:40:00.000-05:002009-02-23T21:40:00.000-05:00I checked out my unabridged Webster's ©1975 and yo...I checked out my unabridged Webster's ©1975 and you are absolutely correct. <BR/><BR/>So, a question--do you not admit to the development of languages, particularly English with it's messy history of absorbing a wide variety of influences, and evolving meanings?Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14279473113628377106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8139328.post-85802843946589411212009-02-23T21:14:00.000-05:002009-02-23T21:14:00.000-05:00It's my understanding that there are separate vows...It's my understanding that there are separate vows of celibacy (not to marry) and chastity (not to have sex). I am, of course, not an expert on canonical law, or even a Roman Catholic, so perhaps those rules are as fluid as the common usage of language. I am an unapologetic prescriptivist when it comes to most matters of vocabulary. Online dictionaries are often very lax on these matters: check out a dictionary from the 1970s.TEDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07765245186357910074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8139328.post-53882205367499259042009-02-23T20:56:00.000-05:002009-02-23T20:56:00.000-05:00Yes Will, I agree with you 100%. I can only assume...Yes Will, I agree with you 100%. I can only assume that the erudite TNWH was in a mood for a word game, as I myself often am.Tony Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10091330901996916966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8139328.post-85169505433920171792009-02-23T20:52:00.000-05:002009-02-23T20:52:00.000-05:00That may well be, Tony, but you had already establ...That may well be, Tony, but you had already established the standard meaning (abstinent from sex) when you said you didn't know whether Bishop Doyle was straight or gay but suspected he was celibate. Given the fact that the Catholic Church has forbidden clergy to be married for nearly a millennium, it would make no sense for you to have meant you suspected that he was unmarried.Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14279473113628377106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8139328.post-59544793451477495942009-02-23T20:33:00.000-05:002009-02-23T20:33:00.000-05:00think TNWH was holding to the french definition of...think TNWH was holding to the french definition of <I>celibataire</I> meaning single, as in unmarried.Tony Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10091330901996916966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8139328.post-82745785526087206302009-02-23T20:26:00.000-05:002009-02-23T20:26:00.000-05:00Ted, here is the Webster online definition of celi...Ted, here is the Webster online definition of celibate: 1. Abstaining from sexual intercourse; "celibate priests"<BR/><BR/>Celibate appears to encompass abstinence, as I thought. The priests who are part of our circle are non-celibate--and yes, I have empirical evidence.Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14279473113628377106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8139328.post-64050168888949419322009-02-23T17:44:00.000-05:002009-02-23T17:44:00.000-05:00As a cafeteria Catholic, I wish him well, a long l...As a cafeteria Catholic, I wish him well, a long line of American Irish have put on the red cap in New York. However, I think a Latino could have really empowered the church. At least he appeared tough on the pedophile incidents. There are too many in power that were complict in the decades of abuse. Whoooo to them!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8139328.post-4118745404046778302009-02-23T17:32:00.000-05:002009-02-23T17:32:00.000-05:00They may have been non-abstinent, Will, but I very...They may have been non-abstinent, Will, but I very much doubt they were non-celibate. Fr. Tony himself was celibate until a couple of months ago.TEDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07765245186357910074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8139328.post-75899960732082091872009-02-23T17:02:00.000-05:002009-02-23T17:02:00.000-05:00Our circle of gay men here in southern New Hampshi...Our circle of gay men here in southern New Hampshire has included many non-celibate gay priests over the years. From them I've learned how they manage, networking with other gay priests across the nation, looking out for each other. From what I can tell many of them are highly active sexually and also happen to be very good priests.Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14279473113628377106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8139328.post-11298980244506132302009-02-23T14:37:00.000-05:002009-02-23T14:37:00.000-05:00Dear TNWH,I bet you've known a lot more. You just ...Dear TNWH,<BR/><BR/>I bet you've <I>known</I> a lot more. You just didn't know you were knowing them.Tony Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10091330901996916966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8139328.post-25726352298404823182009-02-23T14:34:00.000-05:002009-02-23T14:34:00.000-05:00The only Catholic priest I know about who isn't ce...The only Catholic priest I know about who isn't celibate is you. But I suppose the new Cardinal may be abstinent.TEDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07765245186357910074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8139328.post-89209448269129970582009-02-23T11:39:00.000-05:002009-02-23T11:39:00.000-05:00That's the kind of inconvenient talk that might ke...<I>That's the kind of inconvenient talk that might keep me from getting invited to dinner at St. Patrick's.</I><BR/><BR/>Well, maybe not too publicly...M. Knoesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17133347011461421224noreply@blogger.com